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Sunday, April 11, 2004

The Earth is Flat

One of the most astounding experiences I've encountered in working with this income tax issue is the fact that people, even those in the "patriot" community cannot believe that the internal revenue laws were repealed in 1939.

When it comes to revisionist history, I myself get so wrapped up in what I normally believe, that when I'm confronted with a truth I didn't know before, it takes some time in asorbing it and getting the new information to sink in. In earlier history many people believed that the Earth was flat and that any other view was simply heresy.

I had attended a Dan Meador research meeting around May 2002. Jack Cohen, an outstanding researcher, held up the 1939 Revenue Code book he brought and said, "Hey guys, the internal revenue laws were repealed and never reenacted!" I watched him say this, and the other researchers didn't pay much attention to him and continued with their presentations. I initially got excited, but because the other researchers didn't think much of it, I forgot about it. I knew Jack wasn't crazy, but I thought that maybe he was just assuming something that wasn't important. Or perhaps, Jack didn't have a full string of fish.

But the sad fact is, that even someone like myself is subject to the Earth is Flat syndrome along with many other people in the "Patriot" movement.
I've been discussing this for quite a few months now, and it still hasn't taken hold like I thought it would. There are no internal revenue laws as they were repealed and never reenacted. How can people be sent to jail when there are no laws to violate? It is because through their ignorance and the ignorance of public officials, this kind of scam has been able to flourish because of many variables, but primarily through the ineffective educational system.

In April 2004, I started to study the difference between positive and non positive law and I called Jack and we went to work on it and the issue of the 1939 repeal came up. Now I'm not the sharpest knive in the drawer, but I was noticing that court actions coming from the DOJ had no verified complaints with any competent witness. Many of us knew that there were no statutes that imposed a tax, but I realized that all of us had mistaken codes for statutes. They are not the same. We also started to realize that if we were going to be charged with something like a code violation, there would have to be an underlying statute if the codes were non positive law such as Title 26 of the Internal Revenue Code. The IRS claims to be enforcing internal revenue laws, and we knew that they refuse to "show us the law." No taxing statute has ever been provided by anyone from the government. And without the taxing statute and to whom it attaches, the government has no case against anyone.

Jack pointed out to me that the fact that the internal revenue laws were repealed, made all the subsequent tax codes null and void as they have no
underlying statutes.

Today, in our country, with the income tax due date of April 15th, millions of ignorant people will file their returns without ever questioning the validity of what they are doing. Our problem in solving this issue is to get people to understand how laws are made and how one becomes subject to them.

What most people don't realize is that any common law, statutes, codes, regulations must all relate back to the common law and ultimately must not conflict with God's law or natural law. If we use this principle in applying various laws and understand the underlying foundation of law, we can then understand how to proceed with our lives and keep the government in its lawful place.

The chain of lawful authority is as follows:

God's Laws
Man, as a creation of God is subject to His laws.
Government is subject to man's laws and if the government's "laws" are out of line with God's Laws then chaos will result.

The problem as I see it is that we have had a total reversal of the line of authority. Government has taken the position of God, and has made men into artificial creations (ALL CAPS in the name), and has put God last. By shifting the position with God, the Government has put itself in the place of God thus
creating a false God who will not honor or bless the men and women He created. If man is the creator of government then it is the government who is subject to the sovereignty of the man, and not the other way around.

So we find ourselves within a system that is chaotic with no foundation built upon the truth. We need to reverse the process and put the lawful authority back in the order of natural law.

The natural law tells us that the Earth is a sphere, and it is not flat. But year ago, people were persecuted because they didn't believe that the Earth is Flat. All of us have to overcome this mindset and learn more facts and then act upon the truth.

The people who live in this country have been subjected to revisionist history that sets them down the path to mental slavery. Once the mind is enslaved, the body, mind, and soul also become subject to this delusion. All of us need to learn how to think and to make our lives work properly under the natural order of life.

The repeal of the 1939 internal revenue code serves as an outstanding example of how we all can be deceived by our own preconceived notions.

Al Thompson

Saturday, April 10, 2004

Uptergrove Raid: Interview with Chuck

This is an interview with Chuck courtesy of Doug Kenline

Doug has been very instrumental in getting me to use this new media, and for that I am very grateful for his encouragement.

This is the real world folks. As you know, Chuck's business and home were raided, by what I consider, a non governmental goon squad. This nonsense is happening all over the country and these raids are not in the least lawful. They violate every basic right of a man or a woman.

Please take the time to listen to this. And while your listening realize that the internal revenue laws were repealed in 1939 and the seals of the business cards do not match the one authorized by the Government of the United States.

Al Thompson

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Wednesday, April 07, 2004

Interview with Al Thompson Regarding the Uptergrove Raid

My thanks to Fred Smart in providing the links to the audioblog that I did with him this morning.

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Uptergrove Raid: Follow UP

Yesterday I wrote the following but it didn't seem to get posted so I'll include it here.

Update: 11:35AM April 6th, 2004

Chuck Uptergrove just met with the local sheriff. Lt. Michael Salvator was on duty. We have the exchange on video tape and filmed the IRS agents entering and leaving the building.

Chuck made a citizens arrest on Marilyn Collins "revenue officer", however, Lt. Michael Salvator was not willing to take her into custody because he wasn't sure if he had authority to do it. However, he did accept the criminal complaint and stated that the proper authorities will definitely look into the matter.

And this is the problem we have because the law enforcement officers do not have the proper knowledge to do their jobs correctly. We are not blaming the Lt., however, this is a fundamental problem that all law enforcement officers have because they've been extremely uneducated in law.

However, the criminal complaint is now on the record and we will see how the rest of the officials do their job. I'm waiting for a copy of the video and I'll try to make it available as soon as it is ready.

Follow Up

This is probably the most important aspect of attempting to get a lawful remedy. It appears that our law enforcement officers either will refuse to do their jobs and they will had over this criminal complaint to "county" counsel. Which means that the complaint will be turned over to an esquire who will attempt to ignore it. I didn't one a few years ago on a judge and it was simply thrown into the trash. Don't ask how I found out.

Here is how they do the drill. We file a criminal complaint and the sheriff passes the buck to the county attorney, the county attorney tells the elected official to ignore it and usually the problem goes away. They will take the short term heat for the long term gain. This is also done if you want to complain about the bogus "tax liens" at the county recorders. You will complain to the elected official, they in turn will give it to an unelected esquire, and the esquire will ignore the complaint and then nothing happens. This is how they keep the system going. If you do manage to get a case into a court, you'll have no due process because the judge, operating an administrative tribunal rather than a judicial court, simply rules against you and perhaps will fine you for bringing in frivolous arguments. So the system is protected at all levels, first from the sherrif's office, and then by the county counsel. When confronted with their wrongdoings each will point the finger at each other and then nothing gets done.

So in Chuck's case we need to respectfully keep up the pressure.

Here is the contact information.

Madera County Sheriff's Headquarters
14143 Rd 28
Madera Ca. 93638
Emergencies 24 Hours - Call 911
Administrative Monday - Friday 8 am - 5 pm (559) 675-7787
Information 24 Hours (559) 675-7770
Coroner 24 Hours (559) 675-7770
Office Of Emergency Services 24 Hours (559) 675-7770


Now remember, you need to be respectful. These sheriffs don't know the information we do so you'll need to be patient, but an investigation needs to be conducted now to end this fraud upon the people. Also remember, that these Sheriff departments depend a lot of federal money for their day to day operations. You might want to remind him that not one penny of "income" taxes goes to run the Government of the United States. Nothing could be so
simple to explain to him that the internal revenue laws were repealed in 1939 and never again re-enacted or amended.

However, even if I was wrong, and I'm not, the IRS as represented to Chuck Uptergrove via their business cards, does not use the authorized seals
of the Government of the United States.

Chuck is a family man and he is in dire straights as we speak. His property has been stolen and he is struggling to make ends meet.

Tell this sheriff and others around the country that it is time to end this fraud. It is the men and women of the nation who hold the key to effective change. Nothing will change unless we demand it and keep up the pressure.

All the evidence of this fraud is well known and well documented. This income tax fraud has to end now, not a year from now, not two years from now,
it has to be now.

Let's get it done respectfully and peacefully. We as men and women, who are the creations of our Creator, have to have a government that respects our rights. No man has the right to steal from another and it is people who masquerade as the government who are eating out out substance, destroying our families, and ruining our businesses. Our wifes are suffering greatly as they only wish to peacefully take care of their families. My marriage of 32 years has been ruined my activities and my wife wants a divorce. She can't live with me anymore because of all of this nonsense.
Chuck's wife is almost at the breaking point. We are suffering great pain but that is not going to deter us from attempting to make a change for the
better of all of us.

And don't forget about Dick Simkanin who has been in jail for over nine months over an alleged violation of a law that doesn't exist. How much of this garbage are we going to take from a system that takes everything and gives us nothing but tyranny and oppression.

I've spoken to many public officials and not all of them are crooks but they feel helpless because of the way the attorneys and courts operate. We need to put them on notice that we aren't going to tolerate their lawlessness any longer.

It is time to end it now.


Al Thompson

Tuesday, April 06, 2004

Uptergrove Raid: Criminal Complaint

I am posting the criminal complaint of the Uptergroves to be presented to the Madera County Sheriff, John P. Anderson. There are a group of people who are going to attempt to hold the Sheriff accountable to duly enforce the law. We as a country cannot continue to live like slaves and sheep to being fleeced at the whim of our elected and non elected officials. Regardless, of the nature of the Government, stealing is wrong and this issue must be addressed now. For too long the "patriot" movement fumbles with codes and regulations with no lasting effect on the course of this massive fraud the IRS and the powers that be instigate against the American people. We are getting bogged down with details and we are getting nothing accomplished.
To this end, this complaint has been filed and we will see how the Sheriff reacts when confronted with this information.

While I have my opinion on how this will go, it is important that all of us hold these officials accountable and make them uphold the law.

At 10:00 AM this morning, Marilyn Collins will arrive at the Madera County Sheriff's office to return Chuck's wallet and other personal property that was included in the stolen truck. At this time the Sheriff will be served with the following complaint and the arrest of Marilyn Collins of the IRS will be demanded.

I will report on the results of this meeting as soon as the information becomes available.

Al Thompson

Martha Gene Freeman Uptergrove
Charles Wayne Uptergrove
26662 Road 23
Chowchilla, California
Phone: 559-665-2020
Cell: 559-479-0897

Sheriff John P. Anderson
Madera County Sheriff
14143 Rd 28
Madera Ca. 93638

April 6th, 2004

Criminal Complaint

We submit this criminal complaint against the following:

Marilyn Collins ID # 77-00362
Douglas Hall Group Manager
Gary Green Territory Manager
Peggy Rule Area Director
Department of the Treasury
5104 N. Blythe Ave.
Fresno, CA 93722

Douglas G. McDonald
Property appraisal and
Liquidation Specialist
Department of the Treasury
751 Daily Drive
Suite 100
Camarillo, CA 93010

Dennis D. Stiffler
Revenue Officer
Identification Number 94-02576
Small Business/Self-Employed
625 North Akers Street
Visalia, California 93291

B. Eltrich
Deputy Sheriff
Madera County Sheriff

John Does 1-10
Eppler Towing
22704 Avenue 18 ½
Madera, California 93637-9768

US Marshall Service
John Does 1-4
Location Unknown

John Does 1-15
Criminal Investigation Department
Internal Revenue Service
Location Unknown

On the morning of April 1st, 2004 the above mentioned persons came to our home and business which is located at the above mentioned address and committed the following but not limited to the following crimes:

  • Robbery
  • Burglury
  • Breaking and Entering
  • Unlawful detainment
  • Violation of Due Process
  • Fraud
  • Extortion
  • False pretenses
  • Perjury

Department of the Treasury-Internal Revenue Service

All of the above mentioned persons from the IRS have made false claims against us under the color of law without any foundation of fact or evidence of law. In fact, the IRS in its own brochure included in the "court" papers states the following: "You are responsible for paying only the correct amount of tax due under the law-no more, no less." However, we have found that all internal revenue laws were repealed in 1939.
Therefore, there is no law that would make us liable for any tax nor is there any evidence of a contract between us and the IRS.
(See Exhibit A)

The above mentioned persons from the IRS gave us business cards with purported seals that do not match the authorized seals from the Department of the Treasury. Seals are important to establish lawful authority to operate as representatives of the Government of the United States. The above mentioned persons from the IRS do not have any lawful delegation of authority from the Government of the United States.
(See Exhibit B)

We also are enclosing a copy of Treasury Order 150-01, which created 33 District and 4 Regional offices under the Commissioner of Internal Revenue. (Exhibit C) We are also enclosing a copy of TO 150-02,(Exhibit D) which cancelled 150-01, and legally closed all 37 offices created by it. The only offices under the Commissioner today are those enumerated in 150-02, and this “revenue officer” and said agents offices is not among them. Further, note that the Commissioner is not authorized to collect taxes, but if he were , it would only be in the District of Columbia. It is the job of Congress to lay and collect taxes. 4 USC 72 says that all offices attached to the seat of the government are to be exercised in the District of Columbia, and not elsewere, except as expressly provided by law. We do not live in the District of Columbia nor are we on any federal territories or insular possessions. And why would the IRS continue to operate out of offices that have been decommissioned? The only reason we can see is that they are simply crooks and thieves.

We are also enclosing the first part of the Act of 1939, in which Congress repealed all the internal revenue laws. (Exhibit E)

Thus said IRS officers and agents are not a part of the Government of the United States and lack any authority to seize or confiscate any of our property. And as such, said agents or officers of the IRS have committed felonious crimes against us and our property.

Our property was stolen under the force of arms without any lawful authority. Ms. Collins entered our property with no lawful warrant and there was no sworn affidavit of any alleged debt owed to the Government of the United States. There were and still are not any lawful tax liens against us or our property. Any "Notice of Tax Lien" would have to have an abstract of judgment from a court of competent jurisdiction and none exists.

Again, the seals on their business cards show that they are of an unknown agency and an unknown jurisdiction acting under the color of law.

They stole our trucks, equipment, and some were not our property, but they were the property of associates and friends of our family.

These IRS agents set off a chain of events that other contractors and agencies got involved in and they also violated our rights and stole our property. Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

Therefore, we respectfully demand that the Madera County Sheriff investigate this criminal complaint and take any lawful action against those who either directly stole our property or conspired to have our property robbed from us. We demand that our property be returned immediately.

We also demand the arrest and incarceration of said IRS agents for theft and other possible felonies. There is no other way to describe what happened to us at our home.

Charles Wayne, Uptergrove was unlawfully restrained by B. Eltrich for approximately one hour in handcuffs when Uptergrove was not a threat to anyone. Understandably, he was upset about being robbed but he maintained his decorum given the circumstances.

US Marshals appeared with M-16s which is used for military operations and weapons of war are not to be used against peaceful men and women in our own country.

We reserve to amend this complaint as new information is acquired by us.


The Sheriff of Madera County has jurisdiction and that the difference between federal and State jurisdiction is not an issue at this time, as the IRS is not an authorized agency or bureau of the Government of the United States and all actions perpetrated by them have been and are completely outside the law. However, if indeed the IRS was an agency or bureau of the Government of the United States, its authority, according to 4 USC 72 would be limited to the District of Columbia. The Sheriff of Madera County, since he works in law enforcement should know the difference between federal and state jurisdiction and to whom and where it applies.


What the IRS is doing is enforcing a law and/or contract that doesn’t exist and that they are not officers of the Government of the United States. The evidence is quite clear and easy to understand if one takes the time to study the information included within this complaint. We will not tolerate lame excuses from our public officials who say, "That’s not my job," or "You can take that up with the IRS." It is our local public officials' duty to investigate this horrific crime that has been committed against us, a peaceful family attempting to work and be left alone. We value God's laws. We also value man's laws as long as they are not repugnant to the Holy Scriptures, as in this case, "Thou shalt not steal." The IRS operated against our family with no basis in law whatsoever. This is not complicated or complex material we have submitted. Every sheriff and deputy should know this information as it is their job to enforce the law. Since they, by accepting their jobs have a duty not to be ignorant of laws and to whom they apply. We have taken the time to study this subject. And although the information may be difficult to believe for most public officials, the information is readily available and may be checked out in any law library. We as a peaceful man and woman have taken the time to look up these laws as it is our responsibility to understand our obligations if any to the Government, both federal and State. To this end, we believe that we have done everything humanly possible to check and verify our obligations and none exist between us and the Department of the Treasury-Internal Revenue Service. We have provided enough evidence to show that felonious crimes have been committed against us. We demand that the Sheriff investigate these crimes against us immediately and that our property be returned now.


We, Charles Wayne, Uptergrove and Martha Gene Freeman Uptergrove declare pursuant to the Biblical command, "thou shalt not bear a false witness" that the foregoing is true and correct to the best of our knowledge and belief.

Charles Wayne, Uptergrove

Martha Gene Freeman Uptergrove

Sunday, April 04, 2004

Uptergrove Raid: April Fools Day

"He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance."Declaration of Independence, 1776

On April 1st, 2004 at approximately 8:03 AM I was on the phone with Chuck Uptergrove of Ikon Roofing Company visiting with him when he told me a bunch of IRS, CID, US Marshals, and one Sheriff's deputy were coming on to his property. Included in the raid was a "revenue officer" Marilyn Collins I.D. # 77-00362 who appears to have instigated this raid on this peaceful man who has taken a courageous stand against the IRS.

There were six to eight tow trucks lined up and they confiscated his trucks that he uses for his job. Mind you, Chuck lives about 12 miles out of any town, and now he is unable to feed his family as all of his work equipment is gone. His business and home are on the property and his home was also ransacked. His front door was smashed although all of the other doors to the house were unlocked and open. There were two men with M-16s guarding the crime scene. Of course, the IRS was committing the crimes. M-16s are instruments of war that are not supposed to be used against
peaceful men and women in this country. But it is the IRS who is making war on the people.

As I was on the phone with him, I heard Chuck strenuously object to the raid. I heard the "revenue officer" say, "Do you have $178,000 that you can give me today?" This alleged debt had been challenged and was being litigated in a "court of record" in the United States District Court of which Ms. Collins refused to show up when summonsed into the court to document and verify the alleged debt. The judge, Oliver Wanger refused to honor Chuck's court of record, which is a proceeding according to the course of the common law. We believe that this raid is "pay back" for challenging this alleged debt and that this is an effort to break the back of Chuck's business and it is an effort to starve him into compliance. This is the tactic used by the IRS and their lap dog "courts" to enforce internal revenue laws that have been repealed since 1939.

But this gets worse. Upon receiving the business cards of alleged "internal revenue agents" I have posted here, the we found that none of the seals on the cards matched the ones authorized by the government of the United States.authorized seals and the offices that they attach to. (Please note that this may take a few minutes to download, so please be patient. 4 minutes on dialup.) To see the "court" papers, you'll need to download a program from eFax
Once you do that, you can retrieve the court papers along with the copies of the business cards of the alleged "government" officials here. If you look back a few pages you'll see that the seals on the business cards do not match those authorized by the government of the United States. Seals are important in that they properly identify the agency or government that they work for and in this case none of the three cards we retrieved had the proper seals. Why is that? It is because that these "agents" are not a part of the government of the United States, but are instead a bunch of imposters who randomly make up bills of "taxes" owed, and then collect them unlawfully and illegally with no basis in law whatsoever.

This happens all over the country because the people have not paid any attention to what is really wrong with the government and especially the IRS. This is a complete fraud against the men and women of this country. After seeing these cards, I now realize that the problem has nothing to do with jurisdiction, courts, definitions, 861, and all the things a lot of us have studied. The bottom line is that there is no internal revenue law and that the IRS is committing a massive fraud against the American people. There just no other way to say this. The local public officials cover all of this up and there appears to be no remedy because the IRS is nothing but a bunch of thugs reminicent of the brown shirts in Nazi Germany.

The purpose of this raid is to ruin the business of Chuck Uptergrove. He has no trucks in which to do his business as they were confiscated by the thugs.
As Chuck lives so far from town he cannot easily file court papers and he is now dependent on others for his existence. His wife is suffering terribly and she has lost her job due to IRS liens and levies put on her just because she is married to Chuck. Businesses all over the country are being destroyed by this kind of intrusion, that apparently isn't government at all, but nothing more than an official looking Mafia hit squad.

I can't stress enough the importance of the repeal of the internal revenue laws and the use of unauthorized seals. This should be evidence enough
that there isn't any law in the United States. The alleged government is practicing anarchy and the laws of the land are being ignored. If this is allowed to continue, no man or woman will be safe from the tyranny and the terrorism from people who are purported to be the keepers of the peace. The problem is that the terrorists are the people in government who stand by and watch their friends and neighbors get robbed by a bunch of people who
masquerade as government and are not.

I'll have more to say on the seals as more evidence comes in, but it is sufficient to say that these "agents" are not a part of the United States government in any way, shape or form. Attorneys, CPAs, enrolled agents, and many others in the tax preparation industry are traitors to their own country and they are traitors to anything that is right or moral. They help to perpetuate this fraud and they continually ignore the evidence presented to them.

If you would like to help Chuck in either financial or moral support you can write him at:

He needs to replace his trucks and put himself and his men back to work. Any assistance anyone can give would be most appreciated. Chuck may get mad at me for doing this, but he has stood up for the truth for himself and his children. He has taken a courageous stand for the truth. You can help put this man back to work so that he can feed his family and be productive again.

Also, please pass this article around using your mailing lists. This fraud upon the people needs to end now, not two years, or five years, but it needs
to end now.

Charles Wayne, Uptergrove
c/o 26663 Road 23
Chowchilla, California [93610]
Phone: 559 665-2020 Cell 559 479-0897